AFL Reserves - they haven't thought it through.

Flag No.9 wrote:The League Director is not necessarily the President, but whoever attends the meeting and casts the vote on behalf of their club, he/she is (or should be) representing the views of the board of that club.  Therefore if he/she votes yes to allowing entry to our League competition, I would want those board members of my club who voted for it removed at the next AGM, but that would only be possible if there were sufficient candidates standing, and they were of reasonable quality. This decision could really damage the fabric of some clubs.

I'd like more clubs to come out objecting in principle to entry at league level. Short of that, I think clubs should be conducting some online polls of their membership to determine the mood of their members, because it's a unique and watershed moment for the comp.
(I think Centrals are a possible 'yes'.)

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:Amazing how 6 months ago nobody wanted the afl clubs anywhere near the sanfl competition - John Olsen included.

Now when the wallets come out, everyone is prepared to listen.
This will be the hysteria - a fight for the cash.
You watch it will be just like the WAFL. 

countrycousin wrote:

You're right of course and I've been saying for some time now, that we'll end up with some variation of the WAFL model, whatever we say or do. One thing that particularly disturbs me is the fact that only weeks ago, we were being told by SANFL management that the matter of reserves teams wouldn't be dealt with until the license issue was resolved. Now here it is, first cab off the rank. Having been lied to about that, what else can we believe from them? Sadly not much, I have to say. It has all the appearances of a done and dusted deal, that's getting a token run past the clubs to make it look like we've been consulted.

It can't be a 'done and dusted deal' because the clubs have to vote for it.
As for the license issue, maybe that's most of the way down the track to being resolved.

Flag No.9 wrote:

countrycousin wrote:

You're right of course and I've been saying for some time now, that we'll end up with some variation of the WAFL model, whatever we say or do. One thing that particularly disturbs me is the fact that only weeks ago, we were being told by SANFL management that the matter of reserves teams wouldn't be dealt with until the license issue was resolved. Now here it is, first cab off the rank. Having been lied to about that, what else can we believe from them? Sadly not much, I have to say. It has all the appearances of a done and dusted deal, that's getting a token run past the clubs to make it look like we've been consulted.

It can't be a 'done and dusted deal' because the clubs have to vote for it.
As for the license issue, maybe that's most of the way down the track to being resolved.

waddayamean wrote:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/powers-push-for-sanfl-reserves-spells-the-end-of-the-magpies/story-e6frea83-1226667132124

countrycousin wrote:

Flag No.9 wrote:

countrycousin wrote:

You're right of course and I've been saying for some time now, that we'll end up with some variation of the WAFL model, whatever we say or do. One thing that particularly disturbs me is the fact that only weeks ago, we were being told by SANFL management that the matter of reserves teams wouldn't be dealt with until the license issue was resolved. Now here it is, first cab off the rank. Having been lied to about that, what else can we believe from them? Sadly not much, I have to say. It has all the appearances of a done and dusted deal, that's getting a token run past the clubs to make it look like we've been consulted.

It can't be a 'done and dusted deal' because the clubs have to vote for it.
As for the license issue, maybe that's most of the way down the track to being resolved.

Perhaps I should explain my reasons for making that statement. Yes the clubs have the legal right to reject the proposal. But then what? The fact that the SANFL has reversed its position on dealing with the licenses first, then the reserves later, says to me (In fact it screams at me) that the AFL won't accept that and have made the resolution of the reserves question, to their satisfaction, a precondition of continuing with the license negotiations. So if we reject the reserves, do you believe they'll accept that? I'm afraid I don't. They'll start piling on the financial pressure to force us to change our decision. They can and will use every resource they have to win this, I've no doubt. That's the nature of the people we're dealing with. They get what they want at any cost. If it means crippling the SANFL financially they will. Can we fight them on their terms and win? No we can't. Am I being paranoid and over dramatic? Possibly, but I don't think so. I'd love to be proven wrong, my position in this is not something I enjoy. But I've been in and/or witnessed, a lot of tough business fights over money in a long lifetime and they almost always end in a win for the big guy with the most money to throw at it. Sorry, but one way or another, we'll end up compromising on the best terms we can get.


Once again. Who hold the licences ???? When negotiations take place someone might have the power in the negotiation.If they do ,they call the shots .Even supporters are clouding the issue.

1. Integrity: Any change in competition structure must maintain or enhance the integrity of the SANFL competition;
   
2. Relevance: Any change in competition structure must maintain or enhance the relevance of the SANFL competition as the best State League in Australia;
   
3. SANFL & SANFL Club Viability: Any change to the competition structure must improve the long term strength and sustainability of the SANFL and SANFL Clubs; and
   
4. Game Development: Any change to the competition structure must enhance the development of the game at all levels across South Australia.
   

countrycousin wrote:

Perhaps I should explain my reasons for making that statement. Yes the clubs have the legal right to reject the proposal. But then what? The fact that the SANFL has reversed its position on dealing with the licenses first, then the reserves later, says to me (In fact it screams at me) that the AFL won't accept that and have made the resolution of the reserves question, to their satisfaction, a precondition of continuing with the license negotiations. So if we reject the reserves, do you believe they'll accept that? I'm afraid I don't. They'll start piling on the financial pressure to force us to change our decision. They can and will use every resource they have to win this, I've no doubt.

There's a bit of jumping at shadows about the AFL's role in this I think. My understanding is that their position is it's an issue for SA football to resolve. And why would the AFL be so intent on this happening anyway? They don't have any real interest in this, it doesn't make sense. They have far more pressing matters to worry about.

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:Now this is a good thing. Well done to West. I hope all the other clubs put out something similar to their members very soon.