2014 Retirements & 2015 Player Movement Discussions

Obviously the following already confirmed as retirees...

Ty Allen
Luke Powell
Adam Grocke
Chirs Kane

Now James McLeay from Sturt has retired...

http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2673/

Some mention on other threads that Mitch Thorp and Andrew Hooper have left The Bay and going home to Tasmania and Victoria, respectively...

Shane Birss and Ben Fisher from the Bloods

Glenelg's Billy Stretch destined for the Demons, as expected...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-09/dees-stretch-family-ties

Richmond have delisted a few, including former West Adelaide junior Bradley Helbig...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-09/tigers-slash-seven-from-list

Aaron Edwards would be a good recruit for an SANFL club, looking for a key forward to regularly kick goals...

Big Phil

Not sure how many SANFL Clubs would be able to pay for a player such as Edwards. The days of PAYING high prices for ex AFL players in the SANFL maybe gone

Maybe, but clubs have creative ways of paying ex AFL recruits good money...

Just ask Glenelg...

Big Phil wrote:Maybe, but clubs have creative ways of paying ex AFL recruits good money...

Just ask Glenelg...

every club has ''creating ways'' some more clever than others, Central has been the top of the bunch while others have paid the penalty, Norwoods' Penalty ended up being a blessing i would think

bayman wrote:

Big Phil wrote:Maybe, but clubs have creative ways of paying ex AFL recruits good money...

Just ask Glenelg...

every club has ''creating ways'' some more clever than others, Central has been the top of the bunch while others have paid the penalty, Norwoods' Penalty ended up being a blessing i would think

Yep, all clubs have ways of doing it. Some stay inside the rules, others don't.

I still think those days of creative ways are gone.
Money is tight everywhere.
Glenelg recruited heavily this year and they still finished bottom and they borrowed 500k from the council

Big Phil wrote:
Yep, all clubs have ways of doing it. Some stay inside the rules, others don't.

How many clubs would you say work outside the rules BP?

Flag No.9 wrote:

Big Phil wrote:
Yep, all clubs have ways of doing it. Some stay inside the rules, others don't.

How many clubs would you say work outside the rules BP?

Probably all of them, at some stage across the jounrey, Flaggy...

How many now, Phil?

lachlan wrote:I still think those days of creative ways are gone.
Money is tight everywhere.
Glenelg recruited heavily this year and they still finished bottom and they borrowed 500k from the council

I think creativity exists at all clubs, but on a very minor scale compared with say 10 years ago.

Lee wrote:How many now, Phil?

All of them, Lee. All of them...

We all know clubs have ways to get players on board with financial incentives outside of what is paid in the salary cap...

Big Phil wrote:

Lee wrote:How many now, Phil?

All of them, Lee. All of them...

We all know clubs have ways to get players on board with financial incentives outside of what is paid in the salary cap...

I would think most, if not all of those practices these days are within the scope of the cap .. Ie, players can perform work for the club, or a board members company provided they are paid genuine market rates and not some inflated salary (that's my understanding anyway, but I'm far from an expert on the subject).

I have to disagree with you, Phil.

I've been in a position to observe working with the salary cap and I would guarantee that it's not all of them.

Recent changes have made it easier for clubs to ensure they're within the cap. The grey area relate to employment, as you rightly say.

Scrunch is correct about that.

A club with wealthy supporters or plenty of money has more opportunity to provide employment. Nothing wrong with that, of course.

The money some clubs have paid for recruits recently is a problem and you can't keep within the cap if you have more than a few high paid players, unless you can provide employment.

I think these days, as a general rule of thumb, the most critical inducements to players are:

1. Appropriate employment being offered/secured by a club (that might extend to a partner too)
2. Opportunity to be drafted/re-drafted by an AFL club - Does the club provide me with that opportunity?

Realistically, if a player is good enough then point 2 should be met by all clubs, although some moreso than others.

Yes.

That's correct for recruits in general, but the 'mates at a club' factor is also important.

Good point I had overlooked that

Central President David Cavenett announced at the Dogs Best and Fairest last Saturday night that Roy Laird has signed on as Senior Coach of the Bulldogs in season 2015...

So that's not a retirement or movement then?

Scrunch wrote:So that's not a retirement or movement then?

Yes, but wasn't going to start up a new thread for it, didn't think it needed it...

Central District has lost star recruit Johann Wagner to a Reality TV Show and now he will play for the Port Adelaide Football Club...

Of course, as a Rookie List player, he will be playing against the Dogs, for the Port Adelaide Football Club's AFL Reserves side in the SANFL, which is the Port Adelaide Magpies...

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-09-17/port-adelaide-recruits-the-recruit