Black Caviar win no 23

What a champ.

It was good to watch, everything off the bit chasing at the furlong and she was in a canter

great mare but not as good as Vain was

bayman wrote:great mare but not as good as Vain was

Can't agree with you there Batman

over the line wrote:

bayman wrote:great mare but not as good as Vain was

Can't agree with you there Batman

fair enough robin

Vain better than Bc?

You're The Joker, Batman

redandblack wrote:Vain better than Bc?

You're The Joker, Batman

you'd be the Riddler & not Catwoman i hope


ps, for those that don't know just have a look a Vains' record

I agree he was one of the greats but raced for two seasons.

Black Caviar is now in her fifth. I doubt there is another horse in the world that has raced for five seasons at the highest level and remained unbeaten.

over the line wrote:I agree he was one of the greats but raced for two seasons.

Black Caviar is now in her fifth. I doubt there is another horse in the world that has raced for five seasons at the highest level and remained unbeaten.

And broke the course record yesterday in doing so, and has won overseas as well.

bayman wrote:great mare but not as good as Vain was

No trolling in here Bayman

bigclock wrote:

bayman wrote:great mare but not as good as Vain was

No trolling in here Bayman

not at all, have a look at Vains record & tell me it isn't superb, i'll add he was also proven at stud, we will have to wait & see whether she ends up a great broodmare as well

Not sure stud performance should be a measure in this case Bayman. It's not comparing apples for apples.

over the line wrote:Not sure stud performance should be a measure in this case Bayman. It's not comparing apples for apples.

ffs READ what i posted

as for apples with apples have a look at Vains record

just remember a great colt will almost always beat a great filly

Like is said before, he has a great record but he raced for 2 years compared to Black Caviar's 5

Vain: Race record 14 races 12-2-0

Raced as a 2yo and 3yo


Black Caviar : Race record 23 races 23-0-0

Raced as a 2yo, 3yo, 4yo, 5yo, 6yo

Both champions but not sure how you can say Vain is better the BC.

Please explain.

bigclock wrote:Vain: Race record 14 races 12-2-0

Raced as a 2yo and 3yo


Black Caviar : Race record 23 races 23-0-0

Raced as a 2yo, 3yo, 4yo, 5yo, 6yo

Both champions but not sure how you can say Vain is better the BC.

Please explain.

Nicely said BC, Bayman is awfully quiet.

i've gone off line twice tonight answering this, will answer it tomorrow now

You'd better come up with a good story overnight Bayman, better than that "proven at stud" crap

Vain won 4 races in one week during the Melbourne Cup Carnival, i doubt that this mare could do that (not that she has to prove that)

barring Hay List most of her opponents have been sub standard especially compared to Vains opponents, it does mean that she has been well placed & it isn't her fault the opposition isn't there

Vain would have been unbeaten except for illness or injury (can't remember which it was now) & the other was jockey error, Roy Higgins had a ride when the normal jockey was (Pat Hyland ?) wasn't available & the professor said it was his fault as he made the error

otl, do you remember Minuetto ?


i know some racing journalists who on air & in papers praise all the accolades she deserves & they all think the same & that being she is very good but not as good as people think & i'm also in that category

by the way Carbine was the best galloper i ever witnessed

Carbine, now I know you are full of it

over the line wrote:Carbine, now I know you are full of it

no need to be nasty thankyou, i'll refrain from any further discussions

Before you do Bayman, could you clarify how you witnessed a horse race in the 19th century?

Are you 150 years old?

Nice one, Bayman

In fairness to bayman:
"Carbine's combined record of documented success as both a racehorse and an international sire is possibly unequalled by any other Australasian Thoroughbred." (Ahnert, Rainer L. (Ed. in Chief), “Thoroughbred Breeding of the World”, Pozdun Publishing, Germany, 1970)

Forgot to add that yes, I'm also amused that bayman has witnessed Carbine racing. Please don't take it personally bayman!