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Post by Lee Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:44 pm

Reference has been made to the incident at Glenelg Oval last night where the Goal Umpire changed his decision well after play had gone from the kickout to West's forward line and awarded a goal.

Unless it has been changed, Rule 12.3.3 covers this situation.  My reading of it is that once 'all clear' has been given, the decision can't be changed.  When a decision is changed, the previous score has to be annulled, by the Goal Umpire crossing the flags.

If my interpretation is correct, then the Goal Umpire, Boundary Umpire who over-ruled and the Field Umpires all got the rule wrong.

I can only think the rule has been changed or my reading of it is wrong.  If so, can someone post the changes?

If not, it is the schemozzle it looked like at the time.

Both Bayman and I have never seen it happen before.


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Post by bayman Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:03 pm

the ball had 'only got' to the wing  Wink 
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Post by Lee Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:36 pm

I reckon it was a metre Forward, Bayman  Wink 
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Post by bayman Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:18 pm

redandblack wrote:I reckon it was a metre Forward, Bayman  Wink 

can i buy land off you please ? & i see one of your houses on Victoria Avenue is up for sale.....mmmmm i could get a bargain  Very Happy
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Post by sanflman Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:26 pm

redandblack wrote:Reference has been made to the incident at Glenelg Oval last night where the Goal Umpire changed his decision well after play had gone from the kickout to West's forward line and awarded a goal.

Unless it has been changed, Rule 12.3.3 covers this situation.  My reading of it is that once 'all clear' has been given, the decision can't be changed.  When a decision is changed, the previous score has to be annulled, by the Goal Umpire crossing the flags.

If my interpretation is correct, then the Goal Umpire, Boundary Umpire who over-ruled and the Field Umpires all got the rule wrong.

I can only think the rule has been changed or my reading of it is wrong.  If so, can someone post the changes?

If not, it is the schemozzle it looked like at the time.

Both Bayman and I have never seen it happen before.

And I thought my wife was the queen of passive aggressiveness!
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Post by Lee Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:40 am

Married to you, I have no doubt she needs to be  Wink 
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Post by Lee Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:30 am

On topic, though, sanflman, do you have a view on whether it was an error in law?
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Post by Thiele Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:21 pm

redandblack wrote:I reckon it was a metre Forward, Bayman  Wink 
Looked like it was on the half forward line
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Post by bayman Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:50 pm

Thiele wrote:
redandblack wrote:I reckon it was a metre Forward, Bayman  Wink 
Looked like it was on the half forward line

i was sitting on the half forward/half back line near the 50 metre arc (yes it's 47 metres) on the outer side & it was at least 25 metres back the other way, anyway whether it was a goal or not, it DID NOT cost West the match, West cost themselves more chances than that, but it was the most bizarre thing i've seen in footy


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Post by Thiele Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:42 pm

I agree it didn't cost us the match
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Post by Lee Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:34 pm

bayman wrote:
Thiele wrote:
redandblack wrote:I reckon it was a metre Forward, Bayman  Wink 
Looked like it was on the half forward line

i was sitting on the half forward/half back line near the 50 metre arc (yes it's 47 metres) on the outer side & it was at least 25 metres back the other way, anyway whether it was a goal or not, it DID NOT cost West the match, West cost themselves more chances than that, but it was the most bizarre thing i've seen in footy

Certainly didn't cost West the game.  They cost themselves the game with their lack of discipline.

Bayman, our recollections often let us down.  I've just watched the Recovery Session which shows it and it was even deeper in our forward line than I thought.  About 20-30 metres short of our 50, in fact, in front of the Gliderol sign there.

On the video, how Fielke wasn't awarded a mark or free kick in the last few minutes is a mystery.

Have a look at both.

Well done to the Bays, though, they were far more committed and deserved the win.
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Post by bayman Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:29 pm

i think that is where i said it was & i'd call that the wing  Very Happy 

as for Aaron Fielkes' mark, off course it was a mark, it is a mark 99% of the time, unfortunately for him this was that 1% time it wasn't, that's just footy & the luck that goes with it
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Post by testy Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:40 pm

bayman wrote:i think that is where i said it was & i'd call that the wing  Very Happy 

as for Aaron Fielkes' mark, off course it was a mark, it is a mark 99% of the time, unfortunately for him this was that 1% time it wasn't, that's just footy & the luck that goes with it

Nothing to do with luck Bayman, just a terrible decision.
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Post by blacky Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:00 pm

Umpires Ralston and Sobieraj dropped from league games this week
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Post by the prowler Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:31 am

and never to return?
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Post by BloodnTars Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:22 am

Has the umpire been dropped that awarded a 25m penalty to a Centrals player when their own trainer wandered across the mark?
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Post by Big Phil Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:26 pm

BloodnTars wrote:Has the umpire been dropped that awarded a 25m penalty to a Centrals player when their own trainer wandered across the mark?
You don't know for certain that the 25m penalty was as a result of that trainer. I heard in the Dogs rooms, post game, that it was given because of back-chat, that had been rife all day...

The umpire, Theron Filp, who paid that decision, officiated in the League game at Elizabeth yesterday and was actually the umpire who paid the free kick to Kyle Jenner, who then went back to kick the winner for the Dogs, on the siren !!!
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