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Post by howthewestwaswon on Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:39 pm

The SACA comp needs to be split into 2 Divisions IMO like County Cricket in England and retain only the A and B Grades.

6 teams in Div 1, 7 teams (or 8 if you bring another one in) in Div 2 with a promotion/relegation system (2 teams up, 2 teams down) to ensure everyone is playing to the best of their abilities.
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Post by Adelaide Hawk on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:31 pm

I'm not keen on the Division 1 & Division 2 set up. You will always have players loyal to their clubs, and prepared to spend a year in Div 2 to help their club get back to Div 1. This would defeat the purpose.

We need a league of 6 teams with the very best cricketers competing, then we pick our shield side from that competition. Each of those teams would be able to draw from 2 other clubs for players.

For instance, the new teams may be called Bradman, Chappell, Hookes, Lehmann, Favell and Richardson after 6 greats of SA cricket. and the Richardson team would be able to choose players from Sturt and Glenelg. Favell would be East Torrens & Tea Tree Gully perhaps.

So far as insular attitudes from the clubs, years ago the SACA asked Grade clubs if they would entertain the notion of mergers. I know Sturt and Glenelg were seriously discussing it, but most clubs simply didn't want to lose their identities, so nothing happened. This way you could have the best of both worlds.

But something needs to be done, and it needs to be done now. Goodness, just this last round, a team was only able to make 25. If that doesn't sound the alarm bells, nothing will.
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Post by howthewestwaswon on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:52 pm

I agree that perhaps players will be loyal for a period of time, but I suggest that those who are keen to have a real crack at the next level will seek an opportunity at a club that is consistently in the Top 4 of Div 1. If the system included a transfer window during the middle of the season, IMO the SACA can then make recommendations to targeted players about which club they should be playing for to enhance their opportunity of playing Shield cricket.

Give me a little more time and I will come up with a hypothetical situation to explain myself further... Very Happy

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Post by howthewestwaswon on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:54 pm

Furthermore, the problem is 13 clubs with 4 grades each. A lot of weeds to pick from for the SACA...
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Post by rover on Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:07 pm

Where do I begin? I could write a book. How about down at the oval recently against Tasmania?
I got there just after lunch on scheduled two with the locals precariously placed at 5/123 a situation by no means irretreivable. Given the first day wash out and the overcast conditions I thought if we could push for 200 or beyond and have a crack at them after tea it was still game on.
The fact is in about 40 minutes the last 5 wickets fell for the addition of just 3 runs(a single scoring shot by Lyon). I didn't think I was going to see a single run scored and I got there with 5 wickets still in the shed if you don't mind.
We went from 1/83 to 126 all out and it was the worst batting I have ever seen albeit from the bottom half.
Actually it wasn't much better than the day-nighter against the Vics when we limped over the line in pursuit of a "whopping" 124 by just 1 wicket after at one stage being 0/45. And what about the "Gabba"?
9/107 in the first dig(again losing 5/3) and only "saved" by no. 10 and jack. Then came the second innings of 103 with one player contributing 49.
I could go on and on but it is a never ending saga. We rarely make 300,often fail to reach 200 and on the few occasions we do make a few it is always in the second innings with no points and it is merely deferring the inevitable. And how often do we suffer the ultimate indignity of an opposition batsman scoring more than the entire Redbacks side combined on the same pitch? Nearly every match.
The bowlers don't seem to have too many problems disposing of the top order but too often they falter when bowling to the tail and allow the opposition to wriggle off the hook.
I will pause now because this posting is too long but will offer my two penneth worth as to what can be done to restore some pride,something clearly beyond these stagnant misfits.
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Post by Lee on Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:19 pm

Can't argue with any of that, rover Sad
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Post by rover on Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:15 pm

Back to the Jellybacks while the iron is still hot and then I will shut up until next summer:
For starters don't blame the coach.Blame the system."Boof" Lehmann is no miracle worker. He just got lucky. If he was in charge down here it would not make a scrap of difference. There is no point in sacking Berry. You might as well retain the same coach forever and a day because the poor bugger(s) is on a hiding to nothing.
The problem is the shambolic district cricket scene. Too many teams is stating the bleeding obvious. University should be the first to go and two or three other clubs should(must) follow suit. Cricket(at this level) is different to football in so much as the sole emphasis should be at first class level whereas the SANFL is sacrosanct regardless of the presence of the Crows and the Power. Therefore district clubs must be prepared to bite the bullet yet the SACA sits on its hands year after year and does bugger all about it.
And what about the pitches? How often do we have a glorious sunny day in Adelaide yet a couple of matches are abandoned without a ball being bowled because of a few spots of rain the day before(Friday)? I cannot believe they are not covered so what does that say about the surrounds or oval in general?
Look at the pathetic scores in the Sunday Mail each week culminating in Prospect's 25 at the weekend. Bowlers are getting cheap wickets on minefields then wonder what hits them when they come up against class players on decent decks.
Tasmania really irk me. I do not begrudge them a bit of success especially at the expense of the Eastern states but how can a state with such a small population dominate as they do? The facilities at the SACA are second to none and I cannot believe their infrastructure is better than ours yet they are now light years ahead of us on the field. I can remember when they weren't even in the competition in any form of the game. Then again as a Sturt man I can also remember when Central District weren't in the SANFL. To see these johnny come latelys completely take over is infuriating. Who knows down the track? Gold Coast Suns? Greater Western Sydney?
Forgive me.I wandered. SACA! Do something about district cricket or we will continue to be the laughing stock of Australia and languish in a perpetual state of mediocrity.
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Post by howthewestwaswon on Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:51 pm

Many will have no idea of exactly how big cricket is here in Tassie. I could not believe it myself when I arrived here. Shocked It's massive!
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Post by Adelaide Hawk on Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:11 pm

rover wrote:Tasmania really irk me. I do not begrudge them a bit of success especially at the expense of the Eastern states but how can a state with such a small population dominate as they do?

When Tasmania won their first shield final in 2006-07, the CEO was David Johnston, former Redback player and SACA administrator. Their captain was Dan Marsh, a player considered not good enough to play for SA. Prior to that, we couldn't find a place for Colin Miller who went to Tassie and set a new record for Shield wickets in a season, and then went on to a successful Test career.

Tassie simply had a business plan for success and worked towards it. All the SACA have done for 20 years is be as narrow minded as possible. I pray for the day the old boys network wakes up from their coma and realise everything we've been doing in that time has been inadequate.

We are officially an embarrassment.
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:46 pm

You hit the nail on the head with the old boys network.
And I agree SA is an embarrassment.
The administrators just use coaches as the scapegoat to deflect the blame away from themselves.
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Post by Gazz on Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:30 pm

Jackson Bird names Shield player of the year.
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Post by howthewestwaswon on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:21 am

Just to start a new topic, I was reading that many SANFL clubs also had a cricket club attached in the 19th Century.

There are still some obvious original partnerships around today like Port Adelaide, Sturt, Woodville, West Torrens, Glenelg.

I know that North Adelaide changed its name to Prospect sometime around or after WW1.

I'm just curious as to whether West Adelaide, Norwood and South Adelaide also had cricket clubs and when they disbanded, merged, changed names etc.

Can anyone help?
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Post by Adelaide Hawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:01 am

howthewestwaswon wrote:I know that North Adelaide changed its name to Prospect sometime around or after WW1.

I'm just curious as to whether West Adelaide, Norwood and South Adelaide also had cricket clubs and when they disbanded, merged, changed names etc.

Can anyone help?

Where do I start?

Yes, North Adelaide became Prospect in 1927-28.

Around the late 1870s (the beginning of SAFA football), the clubs were:
Norwood - became East Torrens in 1897-98
North Adelaide - Became Prospect in 1928-29
Hindmarsh - final season 1896-97
Kent - merged with South Adelkaide in 1881-82
South Adelaide - final season 1896-97
Kensington - merged with Adelaide in 1885-86
South Australian - final season 1880-81

After that:
Adelaide: commenced 1886-87, finished 1896-97.

In 1897-98 the participating clubs werre:
East Torrens
North Adelaide
West Adelaide
Sturt
Port Adelaide
West Torrens
East Adelaide

In 1905-06, West Adelaide and East Adelaide combined to become Adelaide.

In 1908-09, new clubs to emerge were:
University
Glenelg

In 1923-24, new clubs were:
Kensington - to reduce to dominance of East Torrens who had won 9 flags in the previous 11 seasons
Colts - added to avoid the bye. (I wish our current administrators would think the same way).

1928-29: North Adelaide merged with Prospect from the Adelaide Suburban Cricket Association and became known as Prospect

1940-41: Colts disbanded due to WW2. Coceort revided in 1951-52 under name Senior Colts

1942-43: No cricket due to WW2

1943-44 & 1944-45: East Torrens merged with Glenelg

1946-47: Woodville added to form a 10 team competition

1951-52: Senior Colts added to from an 11 team competition

1961-62: Senior Colts demoted to B grade to bring comeption back to an even 10 teams.

1965-66: Salisbury and Teachers Colleges added for a 12 team competition.

1974-75: Teachers Colleges became known as Student Teachers

1983-84: Student Teachers ousted, in came Tea Tree Gully from the ATCA.

1993-94: District cricket became Grade Cricket meaning players could now play for clubs outside their area. However, players could only transfer to adjoining clubs.
New clubs were:
Elizabeth - brough in on the back of Salisbury winning 6 flags in the previous decade.
Southern Districts - to devlop cricket in the southern areas.

1997-98: After a succession of woodenb spoons, Elizabeth merged with Salisbury to become Northen Districts. Ostensibly Salisbury with a name change.

And that's the way things are in 2011-12. 13 teams in the competition ... uneven number forcing the bye, and too many teams altogether.



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Post by howthewestwaswon on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:14 am

Wow! Thanks a lot AH! Cricket - First Class 2013/14 - Page 2 169538438

Always good to know the history of a competition. Interesting to see why teams were added or merged throughout the decades.
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Post by Adelaide Hawk on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:39 am

If you are interested, there was a book written by a mate of mine Geoff Sando back in 1997 titled "Grass Roots". It has an extensive coverage of 100 years of Adelaide District Cricket from 1897-1997.

Not sure how how easy it is to get these days, but maybe Gerry from "At The Toss Toss Of A Coin" may be able to get one for you.
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Post by Lee on Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:30 pm

Thanks for that, AH, really interesting.

I'm pleased that Adelaide DCC originated partly from West Adelaide FC (?), as I used to spend a fair bit of time with Adelaide (non-playing), when I was a young kid.

I used to get driven home by different players occasionally and that included KG, and once by the great Clarrie Grimmett, who was their coach at the time. (Yes, I know, but I was very young then).

I always remember asking him who was the best player he'd played with, expecting him to say Bradman, but he replied that it was Charlie MacCartney (The Governor General(?).

Players at the time for Adelaide included Leon Hill, Bert Bedford, 'Stick' Dickin, Kruse, Phillips, etc.



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Post by howthewestwaswon on Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:12 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:If you are interested, there was a book written by a mate of mine Geoff Sando back in 1997 titled "Grass Roots". It has an extensive coverage of 100 years of Adelaide District Cricket from 1897-1997.

Not sure how how easy it is to get these days, but maybe Gerry from "At The Toss Toss Of A Coin" may be able to get one for you.

Cheers. I'll look into it. Very Happy
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Post by Scrappy on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:18 pm

Interesting season 2012-2013
South Australia has gained the services of Phil Hughes and Johan Botha
This will add depth and class to the Sheffield Shield and Ryobi Cup teams
I expect the SS team to struggle again , despite enough talent and ability in the squad
But the Ryobi Cup is well within grasp , SA does well in shorter formats
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Post by Scrappy on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:37 pm

SS Results to date

WA 217
NS 358
WA 248
NS 2/108

Easy win to NS who have lost the services of Hughes and Khawaja this season
Michael Clarke with 78 in the first dig was the highest scorer of the match
Rimmington 4/70 had the best bowling figures
NS should be competitive, WA off to a poor start, and likely to struggle

NS 442 Haddin 114, Henriques 161 *
TA 8/298 dec
NS 6/198
TA 7/262

NS pick 2 points for a first innings lead
The forgotten allrounder Henriques starred
161 not out
0/20[5]
50 not out
3/41 [12]
Ponting 9 + 34 failed twice
Interesting to see Tim Paine making a comeback from a finger injury
Paine made 23 +40 and did keep, lets hope he was in no paine
Former VI and SA batsman Aidan Blizzard made his debut for TA
Blizzard made 7 + then a match saving 88 [106] to deprive NS of maximum points

WA 175
VI 375 Mcdonald 101 in 88 balls !, Siddle 87 off 102 balls !
WA 200 Hastings 5/30[13.3]
VI 0/4

An emphatic win to VI
The VI batting on paper is not as strong as the past few seasons
But the bowling attack in this game looks awesome
Pattinson 4/30[14] +2/64[18]
Siddle 2/53[13] +2/50[12]
Hastings 2/57[12] +5/30[13.3]
Throw in Mcdonalds meduim pacers and the spin of Jon Holland the attack looks potent

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Post by Scrappy on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:44 pm

QL V SA

QL 5/206 stumps day 1

Day 2 in progress

QL 398
Khawaja 88[176]
Cutting 109 [78] 12 fours and 4 sixes, this guy is is a supreme talent , good enough to play for AU
Putland 5/100[34.2] if injury free is a potent bowler
Sayers 3/91[32.4] a real gallant trier at this level

SA 6/152
Hughes 90*[127] The star recruit starring on debut
At 5/89 it was diabolical, but Hughes with help from Ludeman [28] have made the recovery
The tail of Lyon,Mennie,Sayers, Putland is too long, and Phil may carry his bat on debut

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Post by BloodnTars on Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:08 pm

Stumps Day 2 - 7/164

Hughes 96*
Mennie 5*

Hope Hughes can get a century on debut for the redbacks.

Another poor batting display though and looks like we may have to follow on.

Ferguson made 11. He really needs to step up this year as he has been pretty poor the last few years since being recgnised with selection in the Australian team. If only we had a bit of batting depth, I don't think he should be playing.
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Post by Adelaide Hawk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:12 am

Six batsmen ... Klinger, Cooper, Ferguson, Head, Miller and Lyon made 23 runs between. Great effort guys. Who's coaching the Redbacks, Krusty the Clown?
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Post by Harpo on Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:39 pm

West End Redbacks 2/86 (28.0) & 184 (66.1)
XXXX Gold Queensland Bulls 8/248 (58.1) (dec) & 398 (113.4)

West End Redbacks TRAIL by 376 runs


The Redbacks no chance in this
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:32 pm

This is interesting stats on Ferguson in the SS last season
Heres his scores [hopefully these are correct]

9 + dnb
26 +11
20 + 17
24 + 16
2 + 62
7 +126
14 +79

1ST innings 104 runs @ 13.00
2ND innings 382 runs @ 47.75
total 486 runs @ 30.37

His first innings efforts are extremely poor
But his efforts in the second digs have been very good

It is no surprise on his efforts this match so far
11 first dig
31 not out 2nd dig

If we count last seasons and this seasons 2nd digs he is currently averaging 51.6

The most disappointing aspect of Fergusons 2011-12 season is the number of double figure starts he got without making a big score

He will 28 next month , and he will need to convert more often
Despite his shortcomings , he is a marvellously entertaining batsman to watch
He averages 41.4 in ODI , which is excellent for a guy who bats in the middle order


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Post by blacky on Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:34 pm

Harpo wrote:West End Redbacks 2/86 (28.0) & 184 (66.1)
XXXX Gold Queensland Bulls 8/248 (58.1) (dec) & 398 (113.4)

West End Redbacks TRAIL by 376 runs


The Redbacks no chance in this
so whats new
same ****
different year
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