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Post by robranisgod on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:46 am

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:Unfortunately I never got to see the best of Robran regularly enough. By the time I went ot the footy regularly he had done the knee.
That's sad. You would have idolised him as every true supporter of the day did. Even the Port supporters that I know who are over 50 begrudginly admit he was simply the best. He is the only player I have seen in the history of the game who could have played every position including ruckman and rover, on the field.
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:55 am

I did see enough of his deeds to know his position in the footy continuum.
Just not that much pre about 1971 or 72.

I wonder how often Ebert and Robran played on each other, of if it ever happened. I can't recall.
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Post by robranisgod on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:48 am

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:I did see enough of his deeds to know his position in the footy continuum.
Just not that much pre about 1971 or 72.

I wonder how often Ebert and Robran played on each other, of if it ever happened. I can't recall.

They played on each other quite often including the 1971 and 1972 Grand Finals although not for the full game in either instance. Robran reigned supreme in all the big matches. In a game at Prospect in 1972 Ebert played Centre Half Back and Robran Centre Half Forward and Ebert certainly won that day. That would have been the only game that Ebert won conclusively. Earlier in the year they had stood each other in the centre at Alberton and Robran clearly won. That was the famous day where Ken Cunningham asked Russell what did he think of the umpiring and Russell replied "I was too busy chasing Bazza here to worry about the umpiring".

The trouble for Ebert was that he was three inches shorter than Robran. Robran could do everything Ebert could do on the ground and by virtue of the extra three inches he was superior in the air. That is not denigrating Ebert's marking ability, he just couldn't regularly outmark someone 3 inches taller.

Earlier it was mentioned that Peter Marker was unlucky not to win a Magarey. I would agree with that. He and Ebert had many great duels, and once again in the big games like the 1970 Preliminary Final Marker certainly had the edge. Having said that Ebert was definitely a better player than Marker, but Marker just seemed to have the wood on him.

I digress again, but old time Norwood and Torrens supporters always told me that Lionel Blackmore of Norwood had the wood on Bob Hank even though Bob Hank was the much better footballer.
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Post by FOOTYfollower on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:51 pm

I'm thinking of a West Adelaide player from years ago - Jack Broadstock? - I think I have heard he was very talented, and very tough. Not sure if I have him mixed up with someone else. Others may know more.

Anyway, I don't think he won a Magarey.
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Post by Lee on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:34 pm

A great 'character', as they say, Ff.

He was extremely talented and was later regarded as well ahead of his time.

It was the famous 'Captain Blood', Jack Dyer, who said Btoadstock was the most talented footballer he had ever seen, which is a huge, huge statement.

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Post by robranisgod on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:22 pm

redandblack wrote:A great 'character', as they say, Ff.

He was extremely talented and was later regarded as well ahead of his time.

It was the famous 'Captain Blood', Jack Dyer, who said Btoadstock was the most talented footballer he had ever seen, which is a huge, huge statement.

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One quote from Jack Dyer was that Jack Broadstock was the only player who could run down the ground bouncing the ball with one hand whilst giving you rude hand signals with the other. As you say a great player whose activities did in fact stretch the law.
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Post by bayman on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:18 pm

i met him at the track & was told all the stories but he was a nice old bloke to me was Jack
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Post by Adelaide Hawk on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:26 pm

Broadstock was years ahead of his time. He'd make a great AFL administrator in today's world.
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Post by FOOTYfollower on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:01 am

Sounds like a real character Smile When was his era? 1930's/40's?? I'm presuming he's no longer with us anymore.

Without looking it up - I dont think Ken Farmer won a Magarey? Must have polled some votes after a few of the big bags he kicked.

Just on Whittlesea who was mentioned earlier in this thread - from memory he did have a very good season in 1988, so I don't think it was an injustice that he won it. I would think his form that year primarily helped him gain the attention of VFL/AFL clubs. Unfortunately for him (as well as Sturt and Hawthorn..and probably Glenelg too) he didn't really reach that form in any other year of his career.
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Post by FOOTYfollower on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:23 pm

I asked a family member about Jack Broadstock, he had a very interesting things to say about him Smile

- apparently he went on a train set for Melbourne to go to WW2, but jumped off and met some new (dubious) friends in the suburbs of Melbourne
- he was banned from playing footy in SA - and then went to play in Melbourne where he did well
- he was apparently working behind the bar at the West Torrens Football Club in the early/mid 1970's.
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Post by testy on Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:42 pm

FOOTYfollower wrote:I asked a family member about Jack Broadstock, he had a very interesting things to say about him Smile

- apparently he went on a train set for Melbourne to go to WW2, but jumped off and met some new (dubious) friends in the suburbs of Melbourne
- he was banned from playing footy in SA - and then went to play in Melbourne where he did well
- he was apparently working behind the bar at the West Torrens Football Club in the early/mid 1970's.

I remember him drinking in the members bar at Westies in the late 70's, he was a big man and very well respected.
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Post by C.K on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:46 pm

FOOTYfollower wrote:Sounds like a real character Smile When was his era? 1930's/40's?? I'm presuming he's no longer with us anymore.

Without looking it up - I dont think Ken Farmer won a Magarey? Must have polled some votes after a few of the big bags he kicked.

Just on Whittlesea who was mentioned earlier in this thread - from memory he did have a very good season in 1988, so I don't think it was an injustice that he won it. I would think his form that year primarily helped him gain the attention of VFL/AFL clubs. Unfortunately for him (as well as Sturt and Hawthorn..and probably Glenelg too) he didn't really reach that form in any other year of his career.

Farmer's compartively poor polling probably set a trend for the next 20 years or so of Magarey Medal voting for full forwards. It wasn't really until Fred Phillis and Scott Hodges that this trend was fully reversed.

Not saying he shouldn't have won a Medal, but for what its worth, I don't believe Rhys Archard was even the best player at North Adelaide in 2009, much less the equal best player in the SANFL that year. History suggests that James Allan will be one of the unluckier players to not have won four Medals after some of his 2009 games were compartively ignored by umpires.

AH - you raised 1983 and Michael Aish. Andrew Aish also had a very good season that was not as strongly recognised.

Throwing this idea out there - who was the better of the two players - Michael or Andrew? I saw all of both player's career and believe that there is a fair case to say that, as a pure footballer, Andrew shaded Michael (despite the disparity in games played).
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:59 pm

My memory is fading of them together, but that seems a big call.
But I am not a Norwood supporter of course. Wink
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Post by C.K on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:02 pm

In making that statement - I agree Michael was the more "noticeable" player and had some highlight matches that are hard to ever knock, and some of his brilliance was incomparable...BUT as a pure, skills based footballer, I think there is a stronger case for Andrew than has been acknowledged over the years.

His career is also difficult to line up - he played 89 matches compared to Michael's 307, so people naturally tend to remember the longer career player.

In saying that, I did grow up with a duffle coat with "Aish" on the back, so kept the best of both worlds.
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Post by Scrunch on Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:34 am

C.K wrote:AH - you raised 1983 and Michael Aish. Andrew Aish also had a very good season that was not as strongly recognised.

Throwing this idea out there - who was the better of the two players - Michael or Andrew? I saw all of both player's career and believe that there is a fair case to say that, as a pure footballer, Andrew shaded Michael (despite the disparity in games played).

I think it depends on how each individual defines the term "better". I believe Michael was the more skillful of the players, whilst Andrew was certainly still of a high class. Athletically I think Andrew held the advantage, but again Michael was no slouch in that department either.
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Post by FOOTYfollower on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:08 am

I'm not a Norwood supporter, but Michael is surely a class or 2 above his brother, if for no other reason that he maintained his form over a very long period.

Who was the better player out of M Aish and McIntosh though? I would think most Norwood supporters would say McIntosh because of his playing style.

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Post by FOOTYfollower on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:10 am

Does anyone have any details on how many votes Peter Motley polled in '83 when Sturt made the Grand Final?
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Post by Scrunch on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:18 am

And for that matter, how many Craig Bradley polled in 83'?
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Post by Scrunch on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:19 am

Also, I know it was 7 years apart but would be interesting to compare how many Davies polled in 83 as opposed to Hodges in 90
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:33 am

Scrunch wrote:Also, I know it was 7 years apart but would be interesting to compare how many Davies polled in 83 as opposed to Hodges in 90

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Post by bayman on Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:16 pm

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:
Scrunch wrote:Also, I know it was 7 years apart but would be interesting to compare how many Davies polled in 83 as opposed to Hodges in 90

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perhaps if the mouth was shut he may've won it Wink
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:01 pm

Absolutely! The Jumbo loved a chat.

BTW I was being a little tongue in cheek with the comment.
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Post by Scrunch on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:27 pm

bayman wrote:
Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:
Scrunch wrote:Also, I know it was 7 years apart but would be interesting to compare how many Davies polled in 83 as opposed to Hodges in 90

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perhaps if the mouth was shut he may've won it Wink

Having never played football at league level I wouldn't know (how's that for a preface), but there must be a fine line to what's considered "loveable larrikin" and "trouble maker" by the Men in White. In my time, off the top off my head, Davies, Clifford, McIntosh, A Jarman, Gowans, Gowans, Chambers, Clayton (to name a few) were all players that seemed more than happy to advise umpires - Did it benefit or detrimentally effect a players rating? Who knows?
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Post by Paul on Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:26 pm

robranisgod wrote:Robran was called God by the whole of the footballing community, not just North supporters.

And still is called God, here in Whyalla. Smile
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