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Post by Adelaide Hawk Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:09 pm

1963-64
1 Les Favell (c)
2 John Lill
3 Ian Chappell
4 Garfield Sobers
5 Ian McLachlan
6 Neil Dansie
7 Ken Cunningham
8 Barry Jarman
9 Neil Hawke
10 Brian Hurn
11 Rex Sellers
12th David Sincock

1970-71
1 Barry Richards
2 Ashley Woodcock
3 Ian Chappell (c)
4 Greg Chappell
5 John Causby
6 Ken Cunningham
7 Rex Blundell
8 Terry Jenner
9 Ashley Mallett
10 Eric Freeman
11 Jeff Hammond
12th Kevin McCarthy


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Post by Adelaide Hawk Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:10 pm

I'm finding it difficult to decide between the run machine Barry Richards or the outrageous all-round skills of Garfield Sobers. Two great sides, I think you'll agree.
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Post by Adelaide Hawk Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:28 am

The thing that intrigues me back then is the number of SA players who had league football experience. I have always felt that "moder professionalism" has weakened all sports as players are restricted to one sport in the modern era.

The 1963-64 team had the incredible Gary Sobers, the greatest all-rounder the game has seen. Two seasons in a row he topped 1000 runs and 50 wickets for SA, a feat that will probably never be equalled. Add to that his close to the wicket catching, and he would be the most complete cricketer the game has seen.

The 1970-71 team was star-studded with the Chappell brothers and two Test spinners in Mallett and Jenner. Added to that the bonus of Barry Richards, a player I consider to be the best batsman I've seen. His seemingly effortless grace made batting a pleasure to watch.
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Post by Lee Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:14 am

I think you'd have to give the nod to the 70/71 team.

The bowling attack is much better, although Sobers holds up the 63/64 side pretty well.

Blundell was a good 'keeper, but Jarman was better. Ian Chappell was a better player in 70/71, of course. Hammond was better than Hurn (still a good player) and Rex Sellers wasn't nearly as good as Mallett.

Looking the other way, Neil 'Nodder?' Dansie was a very good batsman, Lill and Woodcock are about on par.

Credit to KG still being in both sides.
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:28 pm

Tough call on this one.

Let's call it a draw!
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Post by robranisgod Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:29 am

redandblack wrote:I think you'd have to give the nod to the 70/71 team.

The bowling attack is much better, although Sobers holds up the 63/64 side pretty well.

Blundell was a good 'keeper, but Jarman was better. Ian Chappell was a better player in 70/71, of course. Hammond was better than Hurn (still a good player) and Rex Sellers wasn't nearly as good as Mallett.

Looking the other way, Neil 'Nodder?' Dansie was a very good batsman, Lill and Woodcock are about on par.

Credit to KG still being in both sides.

I thought that John Lill was a much better player than Woodcock, even though Woodcock did play a test for Australia. Lill scored 4109 first class runs at 36.36, Woodcock 4550 runs @ 30.95. Lill did tour New Zealand with the Australian Second XI, but he was always behind Burke, McDonald, Simpson, Lawry and Favell as far as playing test cricket was concerned. When Woodcock got a test match Australia had a dearth of opening batsmen.

Nodder scored 7543 runs @ 34.44 but also took 90 wickets @ 33.31. I only saw Nodder later in his career, but my memories of him were that he always seemed to make a century against Queensland at the Gabba.
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Post by Lee Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:19 am

Thanks for that, rig. The figures for Lill and Woodcock are interesting and certainly give Lill an edge, as much as can be said from figures, anyway. They always seemed to me to be similar styles as well, both very correct from memory and even physically similar(?). I agree with you, though, that Lill had much more competition than Woodcock, so your assessment is pretty much on the ball.

I agree with you about Dansie and the Gabba. Dansie often also seemed to make runs when not many others did in an innings, too.
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Post by robranisgod Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:49 am

redandblack wrote:Thanks for that, rig. The figures for Lill and Woodcock are interesting and certainly give Lill an edge, as much as can be said from figures, anyway. They always seemed to me to be similar styles as well, both very correct from memory and even physically similar(?). I agree with you, though, that Lill had much more competition than Woodcock, so your assessment is pretty much on the ball.

I agree with you about Dansie and the Gabba. Dansie often also seemed to make runs when not many others did in an innings, too.

I was only a kid when Lill was playing but he did seem a very elegant player. I think that both he and Woodcock were tall elegant players, so you are right to say they were similar, correct players.

I don't always go by averages, but there is quite a disparity between Woodcock and Lill's figures.
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